How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by sinweiy @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:54:54 +0800

sinweiy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:54:54 +0800

Originally posted by yamizi:

You're the one holding the power, you can do what you want.

Power corrupts =)

so does contempt.
actually a lot of exceptions already. if in e-sangha, already banned.

anyway, best to closed thread for unwholesome verbal action which are any one or more of the following (1) Lying, (2) Slander and tale-bearing, (3) Harsh speech, and (4) Frivolous and meaningless talk.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by yamizi @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:16:01 +0800

yamizi — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:16:01 +0800

Originally posted by sinweiy:

true what. anything that is to do with attachment, dualism and wandering thoughts, all wrong use of brain.

excuses. like explained, it's mistaken. anyway no solid proof, it's just "ur words". would best have solid proof or link to a decoded video to study. can be done. no proof cannot speculate or believe.

i say poor presentation is not the problem. if one need really prefect presentation skill to present, then i say can forget about propagating Dharma altogether..moreover, if say not proper, then the whole of Buddhist community or internet, would have equal the teaching to falungong, cult etc and rebuted. but never. so such people really is one of a kind.

i learnt from more dharma teachers than u think it's just only MCK. MCK's teaching more traditional, i agree. but it's also about not being a 背师叛道. one that is against the way. i seek dharma joy 法喜.

haha...right~. ..some anti-buddhist in disguise. have come across many buddhists, really one of a kind.

anyway, if see, any postings of insulting texts, they will be removed by moderators without any notices. i already did for some posts.

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You're the one holding the power, you can do what you want.

Power corrupts =)

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by sinweiy @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:32:46 +0800

sinweiy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:32:46 +0800

Originally posted by yamizi:

Wow...then all our engineers, doctors and lawyers must have been using the wrong level of brain to analyse their work.

Anyway, I don't think I am insulting mck, that's your pov again, what I had stated can be found in his own vcd.

And why are you so persistent in learning from mck instead of the Buddha? 'cos you're really a mck-ist instead of a buddhist?

If I had slander you, I believe you have completely disregard Buddhism in its essence.

true what. anything that is to do with attachment, dualism and wandering thoughts, all wrong use of brain.

excuses. like explained, it's mistaken. anyway no solid proof, it's just "ur words". would best have solid proof or link to a decoded video to study. can be done. no proof cannot speculate or believe.

i say poor presentation is not the problem. if one need really prefect presentation skill to present, then i say can forget about propagating Dharma altogether..

moreover, if say not proper, then the whole of Buddhist community or internet, would have equal the teaching to falungong, cults... etc and rebuted it...and made known. but no. not to that extend. He's still been respected as a whole, even from the west. so such people that make problems are really one of a kind. i say this not as an actual "disciple" of Him, i'm not. but as a common buddhist and common knowing from all around. if happen to other good masters, i'll still protect the same.

i learnt from more dharma teachers than u think it's just only MCK. i seek dharma joy 法喜. MCK's teaching more traditional, i agree. but it's also about not being a 背师叛道. one that is against the way.

haha...right~. ..some anti-buddhist in disguise.

anyway, if see, any postings of insulting texts, they will be removed by moderators without any notices. i already did for some posts.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by yamizi @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:10:47 +0800

yamizi — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:10:47 +0800

Originally posted by sinweiy:

like said, it's against forum rules. can or cannot accept criticism is another thing.

if i cannot accept, i won't say i don't mind saying my english poor. actual, u slander me i also don't mind. it's not about this, it's about something regarding harmony.

like said, not all are well inform, some can also be emotionally attach to him. He ever said, those that are around him are worst than those learning without actually being with him.
but i don't think MCK Himself is not well cultivated.u can go up in front of him and insult him, see if he'll be moved by insult. if so, then he's just ordinary. either u learn like "saint" or u are still like ordinary being.

analyse is one thing ...note also that most of the times, this analytical/critical mind is wrong. as it's the 6th and 7th(ego) consciousness doing the thinking.

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Wow...then all our engineers, doctors and lawyers must have been using the wrong level of brain to analyse their work.

Anyway, I don't think I am insulting mck, that's your pov again, what I had stated can be found in his own vcd.

And why are you so persistent in learning from mck instead of the Buddha? 'cos you're really a mck-ist instead of a buddhist?

If I had slander you, I believe you have completely disregard Buddhism in its essence.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by sinweiy @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:58:29 +0800

sinweiy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:58:29 +0800

Originally posted by yamizi:

But what I see is that you cannot accept criticism which explained your earlier actions in removing my post against my will.

Thank you for the demostration on how people react when they can't accept criticism.

However, Buddha did teach us to be critical and analyse.

How can one be taken lightly in what they is their belief? Simply 'cos a bald head says so?

Anyway, in all mck-ism's spirit, since mck can hold a dhamma talk in a catholic chruch, bow to a crucifix, why buddhists still lack the courage to attend church?

All these buddhists know the differences betweem buddhism and mck-ism?

=)

Food for thought.

like said, it's against forum rules. can or cannot accept criticism is another thing.

if i cannot accept, i won't say i don't mind saying my english poor. actual, u slander me i also don't mind. it's not about this, it's about something regarding harmony.

like said, not all are well inform, some can also be emotionally attach to him. He ever said, those that are around him are worst than those learning without actually being with him.
but i don't think MCK Himself is not well cultivated.u can go up in front of him and insult him, see if he'll be moved by insult. if so, then he's just ordinary. either u learn like "saint" or u are still like ordinary being.

analyse is one thing ...note also that most of the times, this analytical/critical mind is wrong. as it's the 6th and 7th(ego) consciousness doing the thinking.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by Beautiful951 @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:57:40 +0800

Beautiful951 — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:57:40 +0800

Originally posted by yamizi:

Not true. I used to attend a Friday sutta discussion at a certain buddhist centre in Singapore.

There is a christian who attend the discussion regularly and he is a very gentle, soft-spoken gentleman =)

Yes, I agree that there are very nice christians who won't force people also. Anyway, I know of some christians who would hold the jawstick(did i spell it right?).

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by yamizi @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:56:31 +0800

yamizi — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:56:31 +0800

Originally posted by Beautiful951:

Christians don't go to buddist talks.

Not true. I used to attend a Friday sutta discussion at a certain buddhist centre in Singapore.

There is a christian who attend the discussion regularly and he is a very gentle, soft-spoken gentleman =)

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by yamizi @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:55:09 +0800

yamizi — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:55:09 +0800

Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:

yamizi,

I can see the insult of testing one's faith against another in your viewpoint. If you don't want to believe, why attend?

You believe in everything that has been taught to you when you attend school?

It's an experience and I don't meant to be an insult.

From my point of view and experience in this thread, many buddhists are quick to criticise how christians conduct their sermon by mere hearsay. So why not attend to experience for yourself then comment?

I wonder had AEN finally attend any church/cell service or not.

Heh.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by Beautiful951 @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:39:16 +0800

Beautiful951 — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:39:16 +0800

Originally posted by yamizi:

We had diverted and should stick back to the thread.

I will still encourage buddhists to attend church at least once in their lifetime to experience the difference in the dynamics of service between Christianity and Buddhism.

Take it as a chance to test your faith in Buddhism too.

Christians don't go to buddist talks.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by Herzog_Zwei @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:32:24 +0800

Herzog_Zwei — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:32:24 +0800

yamizi,

I can see the insult of testing one's faith against another in your viewpoint. If you don't want to believe, why attend?

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by yamizi @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:55:05 +0800

yamizi — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:55:05 +0800

We had diverted and should stick back to the thread.

I will still encourage buddhists to attend church at least once in their lifetime to experience the difference in the dynamics of service between Christianity and Buddhism.

Take it as a chance to test your faith in Buddhism too.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by yamizi @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:32:30 +0800

yamizi — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:32:30 +0800

Originally posted by sinweiy:

'most people' can't say well-informed of Dhamma or not influenced. at least never disrespectful.

assumption in the sense, if really understand Buddha dharma, not just pureland, there shd be grow in wisdom light , patient, humbleness, and reduction in affliction/vexation and can accept criticism, can let go. if not, they are still "ordinary" buddhists.

judge people assuming, ownself also assuming.

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But what I see is that you cannot accept criticism which explained your earlier actions in removing my post against my will.

Thank you for the demostration on how people react when they can't accept criticism.

However, Buddha did teach us to be critical and analyse.

How can one be taken lightly in what they is their belief? Simply 'cos a bald head says so?

Anyway, in all mck-ism's spirit, since mck can hold a dhamma talk in a catholic chruch, bow to a crucifix, why buddhists still lack the courage to attend church?

All these buddhists know the differences betweem buddhism and mck-ism?

Food for thought.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by sinweiy @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:20:05 +0800

sinweiy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:20:05 +0800

Originally posted by yamizi:

Eat salt too much will make one unhealthy. No wonder he has problem giving presentation.

And how do you define 'most people'? Are these 'most people' well-informed of Dhamma etc? Or they had already been influenced?

Or just mere hearsay? Or just because his talk attracts a lot of people?

Wht makes you think I have no understanding on pureland? Simply because I quote more from Lotus Sutra?

Too much assumptions already =)

'most people' can't say well-informed of Dhamma or not influenced. at least never disrespectful.

assumption in the sense, if really understand Buddha dharma, not just pureland, there shd be grow in wisdom light , patient, humbleness, and reduction in affliction/vexation and can accept criticism, can let go. if not, they are still "ordinary" buddhists.

judge people assuming, ownself also assuming.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by yamizi @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:04:14 +0800

yamizi — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:04:14 +0800

Originally posted by sinweiy:

Originally posted by yamizi:

sanath said my English is poor, obviously yours is worse than mine.

sw: it's true. i don't mind. i never said, mine is very good. i'm working, so i need a faster style.

I'd already mentioned, if your excuse is going to be the same old "must see other vcd", please feedback to mck that he needs to learn how to improve his presentation skill in one vcd.

sw: people eat salt more than u eat rice. started presentation abt 40 years ago. so cannot like that compare. most people can accept. but guess, some people's dharma roots not enough to understand. i agree sometimes some saying can be confusing, but i respect him as a teacher. not just him, all other dharma masters as well.

Brahma claimed to be almightly, all-loving, all-knowing and creator god, however, in the end he did confess to Buddha that he didn't know how creation come about. Check your basics.

sw: yes, i know, but i don't see any relevent to the topic.

You keep insisting that 'his level', so you're 'his level'? If not how can you actually understand what he meant?

In fact, I guess I'm starting to see the confusion whether are you trying to promote the Buddha's teachings or the mck's teachings.If the imperfect stuff can be the root of false teachings, then that imperfect stuff is worth bringing up.

sw: simple, see can undertstand when the mind is pure the land is pure 心净佛土净. and given a case in Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni touch the ground to show His disciples His pureland within samsara. all Buddhas pureland are alike. maybe should read/study some other sutras to understand.

Buddhism should be presented as it is in its genuine form with sincerity, not with some nice paper wrappers which may cause others to have implied otherwise.

sw: yes, but also don't want to see similar case like Maggie.meepok happening in Buddhism. ie. lost of true Buddha's teaching. u think it's genuine, but actually not genuine at all. but guess very difficult in Dharma ending age. sigh.

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And how do you define 'most people'? Are these 'most people' well-informed of Dhamma etc? Or they had already been influenced?

Or just mere hearsay? Or just because his talk attracts a lot of people?

Wht makes you think I have no understanding on pureland? Simply because I quote more from Lotus Sutra?

Too much assumptions already =)

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by sinweiy @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:57:25 +0800

sinweiy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:57:25 +0800

Originally posted by yamizi:

sanath said my English is poor, obviously yours is worse than mine.

sw: it's true. i don't mind. i never said, mine is very good. i'm working, so i need a faster style.

I'd already mentioned, if your excuse is going to be the same old "must see other vcd", please feedback to mck that he needs to learn how to improve his presentation skill in one vcd.

sw: people eat salt more than u eat rice. started presentation abt 40 years ago. so cannot like that compare. most people can accept. but guess, some people's dharma roots not enough to understand. i agree sometimes some saying can be confusing, but i respect him as a teacher. not just him, all other dharma masters as well.

Brahma claimed to be almightly, all-loving, all-knowing and creator god, however, in the end he did confess to Buddha that he didn't know how creation come about. Check your basics.

sw: yes, i know, but i don't see any relevent to the topic.

You keep insisting that 'his level', so you're 'his level'? If not how can you actually understand what he meant?

In fact, I guess I'm starting to see the confusion whether are you trying to promote the Buddha's teachings or the mck's teachings.If the imperfect stuff can be the root of false teachings, then that imperfect stuff is worth bringing up.

sw: simple, see can undertstand when the mind is pure the land is pure 心净佛土净. and given a case in Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni touch the ground to show His disciples His pureland within samsara. all Buddhas pureland are alike. maybe should read/study some other sutras to understand.

Buddhism should be presented as it is in its genuine form with sincerity, not with some nice paper wrappers which may cause others to have implied otherwise.

sw: yes, but also don't want to see similar case like Maggie.meepok happening in Buddhism. ie. lost of true Buddha's teaching. u think it's genuine, but actually not genuine at all. but guess very difficult in Dharma ending age. sigh.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by sinweiy @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:13:19 +0800

sinweiy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:13:19 +0800

Originally posted by yamizi:

I don't find my post being offensive and/or personal attacks, this can easily fall into a subjective definition, and as you're a fervant follower of MCK, it is of no doubt that you will see me being offensive and engaging personal attack.

excuses, obviously an insulting text. otherwise, it's just Anti-ing MCK or pureland, as there was no good stuff been said, only unwholesome words. unwholesome or wholesome, only ur mind know. but ok, let's be fair, can reduce or not? please.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by sinweiy @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:07:48 +0800

sinweiy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:07:48 +0800

... something is true, we should approach it carefully and to evaluate it for ourselves. Now, it is certainly amusing when Muslims insist on Buddha Maitreya as Muhammad by speculating on various verses in their holy book, or when some christians said Jesus...

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by sinweiy @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:02:11 +0800

sinweiy — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:02:11 +0800

Originally posted by sanath:

天親菩薩往生論云：観彼世界相　勝過三界道

Vasubandhu's Discourse on the Pure Land states:

When I contemplate the nature of that Land,
I find that it surpasses all states of existence in the three worlds.

yes, nobody are saying that the quote above is incorrect. all i'm saying is when the mind is pure the land is pure. 心净佛土.

"When I contemplate the nature of that Land,
I find that it surpasses all states of existence in the three worlds."

imho, if "surpasses all states" mean samsara and pureland/nirvana is seperated, than i think pureland would still be quite limited or obstructed, or just a 方便土.

it's when Amitabha pureland is neither samsara non pureland/nirvana, everywhere is pureland, then it's most surpassing. 无障碍土.

anyway, very funny, this is like already believing and rebuting on a hearsay and proof-less speculation. i don't think MCK mean what he mean.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by soul2soul @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:01:25 +0800

soul2soul — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:01:25 +0800

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by sanath @ Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:00:24 +0800

sanath — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:00:24 +0800

Originally posted by yamizi:

I seriously don't believe christianity was like this when Jesus was around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwkmu6EJlTE&eur

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDoQaCDMtuo&feature=related

How commercialised christianity has evolved.

I think the worst is this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VHF-feF2PA&feature=related

And this is the one that's got the Korean president into hot soup, but fortunately, has made our fellow Buddhists in Korea 'rise up' to defend the Sasana.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by yamizi @ Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:29:13 +0800

yamizi — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:29:13 +0800

... other religions. if they do, then they are no different than the regular fundermentalists. If your mck can tell people muslims and christians heavens are part of Amitabha's pureland, there is much room for people to exercise their discretion whether ...

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by sanath @ Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:25:13 +0800

sanath — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:25:13 +0800

... to the Pure Land(s)? Frankly, to say so, unfortunately, is degrading the Pure Land and the PL teachings! Tell a Jew/Christian/Muslim that their heaven is akin to our Buddhist Pure Land, not only will that land you in hot soup, people will also think, "...

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by yamizi @ Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:23:33 +0800

yamizi — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:23:33 +0800

Originally posted by sinweiy:

it's against forum rule #
4) Do not use offensive or vulgar language. Any postings of insulting texts, urls, images will be removed by moderators without any notices.
5) Do not engage in personal attacks. Posts of such nature will be removed by moderators without any notices.

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/202797

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I don't find my post being offensive and/or personal attacks, this can easily fall into a subjective definition, and as you're a fervant follower of MCK, it is of no doubt that you will see me being offensive and engaging personal attack.

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by Zerg @ Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:38:13 +0800

Zerg — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:38:13 +0800

Hi sinweiy,

Thanks for the effort

Cheers!

How to politely decline invitations to church? replied by sinweiy @ Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:20:47 +0800

sinweiy — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:20:47 +0800

Originally posted by soul2soul: I thought the Muslim/christian heaven is the Tavitimsa heaven or the Heaven of 33 leaders. yes, Heaven of 33. but Pureland is more than that. it's when the mind is pure the land is pure. everywhere can be...

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